Let play a game of what if….
What if on May 6th the Conservative party won the election?, among other things great britain would look fine supporters would cheer parties would emese on the whole people would be happy.
But then as the months preveiled cracks would start to show, the toffe-nosed Tories would start to drag britain on the down hill slope:
They would lift the hunting ban that is currently in place a ban that was supported by over 50% of the population of britain. The Tories would let foxes be ripped apart at the teeth of hounds in your name, and because they are in power we wont be able to do a thing about it.
With hound parading around rural locations tearing foxes limb from limb do we really want this in our country?
Foxes are beautiful innocent animals that do not harm us, now if a farmer was to shoot a fox on his land that was infringing on his property and endangering the lives of his animals, then that would be acceptable.
All the Conservative care about is their bum-chums (their pals) and anyone who is rich.
In my oppinion fox hunting is cruel wrong and should be illegal and the selfish, cruel Conservatives will condone the murder of these helpless animals. They would subject a fox to a torturous death being ripped apart by hounds they are damn right evil.
And David Cameron leader of the conservatives and prime ministerial candidate supports Hunting and would lift the ban that is currently in place in effect leading the hunt masters to the kill.
Even the nazis knew it was wrong and they implied a ban on fox hunting in 1933, and they killed six million jewish citizens (the holocaust).
They would make these mistakes and more if they are in government.
DO NOT VOTE CONSERVATIVES ON MAY 6TH
Caleb Law age 13
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Fox hunting is so abhorrent and unnecessary and whilst only half of the country wanted it banned in 2005 now 75% of the public wish to see it remain banned. There are many patronising arguments the hunters will use: pest control (despite the fact that they have been manufacturing artificial soils to encourage breeding in order for the pup hounds to train to hunt during cubbing season) country life shouldn’t be interfered with (despite the fact that the hunters do not own the countryside, it belongs to the country as a whole). They assume that the anti crowd are all city dwellers and they are anything but. Our democracy will be violated if the Conservatives chose to bring back this barbaric sport. There is only one reason why the hunters want hunting back, because it is part of their way of life: it’s their jaunty fun at the weekend, they have been brought up with it. They don’t care about anything BUT this and law is created to protect and not allow a bunch of selfish, over indulged cruel people to continue with a blood sport.
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I’m sorry but you must not have read the part where they kill OTHER INNOCENT ANIMALS. And I am not breaking the law thank you very much, and if you have never ridden a horse before or taken part in a hunt, then I don’t think you do have the right to tell people that they can’t do it.
Thank you again for your comment Charlotte,
I didn’t tell you that you can’t go riding or hunting I was merely stating that you are breaking the law if you kill Foxes.
Also so a fox kills other innocent animals, so we kill it…. where is the logic in that?
A Foxes instinct is to kill to survive and survive to kill we get our food by Tesco’s and Asda a fox will die if it doesn’t eat it cant go on a berry diet they cannot sustain themselves only on fruit.
You have also returned to the point that “and if you have never ridden a horse before or taken part in a hunt, then I don’t think you do have the right to tell people that they can’t do it.”
I don’t think that’s a valid argument, I haven’t gone sky-diving before but if someone decided to jump out of a plane completely naked I would know that it’s a dumb idea, just because I haven’t experienced it myself I can still have an opinion.
I say again voters DO NOT VOTE CONSERVATIVE ON MAY 6TH
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You dont need horses to hunt foxes, land needs to managed.
Charlotte said “if you have never ridden a horse before or taken part in a hunt, then I don’t think you do have the right to tell people that they can’t do it.
Well Charlotte, I’m sure a serial killer has the same opinion as you when it comes to killing, since a serial killer kills for fun and see nothing wrong in doing something that comes natural to them, has well as them having an opinion that the human race is a pest.
Does that mean by your definition just because We have never been on a hunt from a serial killers perspective that we don’t have the right to say it’s wrong and to stop them from doing it?
75% of people, a majority do not want the hunting ban lifted, Live with it and get over it!!
The majority of us know deep down It’s wrong to kill whether it’s a pest or human. It doesn’t settle well with our sense of right or wrong, A farmer killing a fox that has killed his live stock is something most people don’t like, but can live with and understand, but don’t make a game out of it that just Abhorrent (thanks Caleb for that word
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The problem with people who are pro hunting is there argument is always flawed.
It amazes me how so much myth is freely thrown around to frighten/persuade people into there argument, how can you live with foxes as your neighbors and know so little about them.
Pro hunting lobbies do not solve a pest problem they add to it by breeding foxes for the kill, so a farmer has more problems protecting his live stock not less since the hunt has just increased the population!
You said in another post “we could see massive rises in livestock getting killed”. Well it’s been 6 years and it would have been shown by now if that was the case, since there is still the same amount of food in the country side and foxes still die of natural causes the population of Foxes is still the same.
Killing a few foxes during the hunt isn’t going to make a difference to the fox population it’s a myth. the only way to control a population is a massive cull of thousands like the cull on seals in Canada, You are killing for your own entertainment not the well fair of the country side, your a needle in a hay stack, nature culls foxes just fine, if it didn’t then there would be more foxes than dogs in this country.
And your argument of “I’m sorry but you must not have read the part where they kill OTHER INNOCENT ANIMALS” is just silly, we kill innocent animals for food, you seem to have a different opinion of a human to a fox maybe you need to explain this statement to me, since all carnivores kill to eat, Were not talking about killing for food, but the sinister act of killing for pleasure.
The country side is not yours it belong to no man you don’t have a right to it or it’s food source you have to learn to live in harmony with nature not destroy it because it’s an inconvenience, if a farmer/ country folk doesn’t know how to do this then there living in the wrong place doing the wrong job since foxes are a part of our country side long before your so called hunt was invented.
Why is the pleasure of riding a horse not enough for you?
Peaches
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killing is part of nature foxes kill all sorts rabbits, hares ,sheep, chick ect and 75% of people still want it banned how many percent have even enganged in hunting or even done anything in the countryside? how many of the people havent got a clue about it they just vote it because they think that foxes are cute and cuddly, but really if they had a chance they probaly eat you they or snatch a baby that wouldnt suprise me. Although that probaly wont happen but at the end of the day they are pest and thay cause problems, Thay will take and kill anything given the chance. Why is hare hunting illegal and not rabbits they are pretty much the same just the hare is a bit bigger and lives in a bigger field
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Heidi & Caleb,
Thanks for your educated insight into the hunting ban. I can only assume that you both have more knowledge on this subject than Lord Burns, who was commissioned by the Labour Government to investigate the facts about hunting with dogs. The outcome of the Burns report was that he “struggle[d] to see how the … Act … passes the Minister’s test that the legislation should be soundly based on evidence and principle”.
Foxes are pests. Fact. Farmers need to control pests to protect their herds. Fact. Would you honestly prefer farmers to shoot and use traps -- where a fox may die over a period of days -- than the instant death inflicted by hounds?
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Richard,
At least if you shoot a fox on sight you know you have the right pest that is eating your livestock.
When a hunt chases down a fox, it’s more than likely not the same fox that has been in the farmers chicken coop, but an innocent animal that happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Peaches
Thank you for your comment Peaches,
You make a very good point.
A hunt takes a while to organise, and the fox that killed your livestock could be miles away.
How would you know which fox you killed, it could be a different Fox that is completely innocent and may have not caused a problem and the one that visited your hen-house before may come back for more.
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Thank you for you comment Heidi and Richard.
I find Richards argument not very solid, you say that it would be more painful for the foxes to be shot than to be ripped limb from limb at the mouth of a hound?
I also find traps barbaric and wrong, and I do not suggest that farmers should put out illegal traps that cause the fox in question suffering and pain, there are products on the market that can instantly kill or even repel foxes with ease.
You say “Would you honestly prefer farmers to shoot and use traps – where a fox may die over a period of days – than the instant death inflicted by hounds?”
The death inflicted by foxhounds isn’t instant and let’s turn the argument on it’s head… if you were the fox would you like to chased down to exhaustion being scared to death, and then meeting your end by being eaten alive…. or being shot where there is a very good chance that you instantly die.
Fox Hunting is a Bloodsport purely for pleasure and demented fun, and is sick and evil, and to say it is a way to control a pest is just ludicrous.
Most of the time the hunt masters do not even participate in this disgusting act of murder near a farm that has a fox problems they travel to kill innocent foxes that are minding their own business in the wild.
If a farmer really wanted to kill a troublesome fox he would sit next to where the animals has last been seen and he would shoot it on site simple, effective and humane.
I also have to make the point of who takes pleasure in killing a beautiful animal like this
is a monster!
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all foxes are tories at heart. fact.
does that change your opinion of them now Caleb?
I think this is where we differ young kaleb. You see a fox through rose tinted glasses as a beautiful innocent creature. I (being from the country) see it for what it is; a pest.
Now let me give you an example. My uncle, a sheep farmer, had a problem with a fox coming in and killing lamb. For the avoidance of any doubt, when i say killing lamb, I dont mean so it could feed itself, I mean the fox would come in decapitate several lamb and then leave. This happened twice in a week. The simple, effective solution was to bring in the hunt. They flushed out the fox and the problem was resolved.
You see a local solution to a local problem.
The hunt employs local people and brings the community together.
I cannot accept your point on shooting. If you think you could 100% shoot a fox dead with a gun shot from distance you should join the army. More likely the fox would be injured and die of its injuries. A hound gives a very efficient kill in a matter of seconds.
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I have an example for you Richard,
A fox will enter a hen-house and kill sometime all of the hens inside, that fox will then drag the corpse’s and bury them nearby, this is for preservation of the meat for later consumption.
They do not hunt for pleasure they kill hens and other rodents to either eat or save, they do so to collect food for unsuccessful days of hunting.
Lamb mortality is low, and a fox does not have the strength to decapitate a lamb and would not just leave them in the field a fox they do not have jaws like a Guillotine and it would not have the time to eat it, IF you found two headless lambs I would look towards a murderous ninja with a samurai sword.
Also I will turn back to that point THEY DO NOT HUNT FOR PLEASURE only Humans and Chimpanzee’s do so, so it is very very very unlikely that a fox killed your lambs
Also you said in your comment above “A hound gives a very efficient kill in a matter of seconds.”
A hound can rip out a foxes stomach and innards with it still alive, would you like to have that done to you, I personally would like to be shot instead of a torturous death by dogs.
By the Way I do not look upon foxes with rose-tinted glasses, I find they are beautiful animals and if one was infringing on my property and endangering my livestock then I would have no problem shooting that fox.
Maybe you should do some revision before claiming that a fox decapitated your uncles lambs.
http://www.thefoxwebsite.org/faq/ruralfoxproblems.html
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They will take lambs they will take anything vunerable and easy its not hard for a fox to take away a newborn lamb if they want hounds go for the throat and wont waste time on pulling its insides out if a fox is shot in the legs it could take a while for it to die. A fox will fight back so thats the reason why the dogs will kill it quickley.
Hunting ban should only involve people who live in the countrside and encounter the problems foxes causes, there is nothing wrong with it, out of 75% of people who think we should keep the ban i bet only30 -- 40% even encountered a fox the rest are just agreeing with the crownd, well i think it would be great fun and in the 90s its was. fox hunting could help the countryside and i read one of the articals stating that they will not go extinct and they wont. foxes cause problems and should be sorted out. they will always cause problems unless controlled
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You cannot argue without a view from the other side. I myself own a couple of horses, and I hunt a couple of times a season. I personally want the Tory’s in power so they can lift the ban. Everyone in the horse riding industry wants it gone, and over 50% said they didnt want it in the first place.
Foxes are pests, and if we don’t keep the numbers down, there will be loads of them, and with hunting completely banned we could see massive rises in livestock getting killed.
It doesn’t seem to me like any of you know the real story behind this, do any of you have horses? Have you ever been hunting? I don’t expect so, so I don’t think you have the right to comment about something you don;t really know.
Thank you
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Thank you Charlotte for your comment,
I have to ask you how you hunt do you actually kill foxes or do you participate in a legal false hunt, if you do kill then you are breaking the law.
Also you ask me if I have hunted before or owned horses, no I didn’t grow up on a farm I am a city-boy and I haven’t hunted before because when the hunting ban was put in place I was only 8 years old neither can I legally harm an animal nor get on the horse in the first place.
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I could do both now, but I would not kill a defenceless innocent animal for no reason then mindless disgusting fun (I wouldn’t mind riding a horse
And I also have room to comment because I was born with a moral standing and I know killing things for fun is completely wrong, you are telling me that the only fun you can have and bond with your community while riding a horse is watching a beautiful foxes being ripped apart.
Also you say “Everyone in the horse riding industry wants it gone, and over 50% said they didn’t want it in the first place.” well Charlotte those people who want it back are abhorrent and sick, these people breed foxes to murder now is that culling a burst in the fox population?
No it’s your demented fun industry (complete with a fox factory).
Remember Voters DO NOT VOTE CONSERVATIVES ON MAY 6TH
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Foxes… then whats next…A NEW FORM OF SLAVERY for people that can’t pay 50% tax? Would they make us run through the forrest to make up the tax return? Where is the respect for nature? Any party that can kill for sport and fun in the face of their public, scares the life out of me.
Hey Caleb,
I’ve been doing some research and I’ve discovered they can still hunt and kill a fox, but the fox can’t die via dogs.
They can shoot a fox and even kill a fox with the aid of a hawk?, but they can’t allow there dogs to rip a fox apart.
So what are these hunters squawking about, they still get to hunt the only element missing is the end kill which leads me to the only conclusion that these people are sick in the head!
The only difference is they don’t get to hear a fox screaming in pain and laughing as there dogs tear it apart, yew! I’m even more against these people more now.
What’s wrong with them, they must have a lot of hate in there heart and a lack of common decency
Peaches
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I don’t think foxes can scream in pain and laugh at the same time.
Erm… Malcolm I think peaches meant the Hunt-masters laugh not the Foxes
Caleb
not all foxes die after 1 shot, not all people got haws the dogs just make their death as quick and easy as possible
slow death or quick death simple question easy answer and it involves the dogs.
Foxes are a massive problem and its not like they are an endagered species. They havn’t actually banned fox hunting, they’ve banned the use of dogs in the KILLING of foxes. The law states you need someone “visable” with a gun. Shooting a fox isn’t always fool proof, A fox may be shot and run off therefore spending days bleeding to death, the dogs would have killed him there and then, no question about it. I’m sick of urban people commenting on country life, If you don’t like the country stay in your urban world. Fox hunting is not just for the rich, its one of very few sports where all classes are invited to take part together.
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I live in a councill estante in cardiff city and i love the countryside and i aint no rich snob times are hard rabbit meat is for free lol goes well on a sunday lunch lol
Foxes are a problem for sheep farmers and they will take lambs and not just 1 or 2 either. Stray dogs and foxes are a massive problem. Do you actually know a sheep farmer in person? I can tell you from experience farming these days is very difficult, they make a loss on milk, loss on wool, (ect) why do you think the EU pays subsidies?
Paying for special fox friendly poisons will just break the camels back. Shooting them takes alot of time that farmers don’t have. You are very naive and typical of a city boy, let us country folk get on with what we have to in order to keep you urban folk with food.
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Thank you for your comment Sian,
Ok, with the fox hunting commenter’s on my website different person same argument.
You all say that a fox trotted into your paddocks and massacred the whole farms livestock, what next you’ll say a fox killed a horse (and chewed off it’s head?).
And A FOX DOES NEITHER KILL FOR FUN NOR TAKES LAMBS IN BULK THIS IS A FOX NOT A LION!
ALSO A FOX DOES NOT KILL SEVERAL LAMBS!
Also Sian others have tried to jab at me by saying I don’t know a farmer so I don’t have an opinion grow up don’t act like a naive well… 3 year old.
Also my dad use to live next to a farm an he reminisce’s about his farmyard tales he would barely see a fox and if it did it would raid the bins instead of kill a lamb.
Also a foxes staple diet isn’t just a gourmet meal of lamb and chicken it’s mice (that eat your crops) vole’s, rats (which invade your home) and Rabbits (cute but disastrous) these are all pests that the fox eats actually and might be protecting your crops.
You very ignorantly say “You are very naive and typical of a city boy, let us country folk get on with what we have to in order to keep you urban folk with food.”
To use a false argument like you have well then don’t buy a bloody tractor, car, combine harvester, wood (for a barn), fuel, medicines, chemicals (fertilisers, rat deterrent/poison etc…) your house, your gun, your dog, your Ikea furniture, Your B&Q kitchen, laminate flooring, etc… etc… etc… oh.. and all the money you borrow from the city, just to name a few.
So don’t tell me to leave you on murdering foxes in exchange for you farm food
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It frustrates me that you play up the cute image of the fluffy little cub with big brown eyes. Why not stick to the facts.
It is a fact that foxes are pests; they kill livestock for food, which in our economic climate and the constraints already placed on farmers can prove incredibly detrimental to a farmers standard of living. For example with sheep farming, their entire profit is made from their lambs born from December-May -- each one worth between £60-80. A significant loss considering the amount of time, energy, and money that goes in to each and every one.
Foxes, as carnivores and survivors, will take every opportunity to bring down prey to keep themselves fed. This would include killing multiple lambs -- they don’t stop and think “Oh hey, I probably cant eat more than one, I’ll leave the rest be”. Please be aware also, that foxes are not squirrels, they do not bury a cache, planning for the future. Sure, they will come back to the site where they made the kill, but it is not the case that they dig holes to bury their ‘stash’.
It is true that the Conservatives have said that they would put a vote to lift the ban through parliament. If you are so sure that the majority of the country are against fox-hunting -- and the numbers agree with you -- the ban will not be lifted, in fact, bringing it into the spot light once again may actually help in that it clearly another solution needs to be found as illegal hunting is still taking place five years down the line.
I also think its completely unnecessary to resort to personal abuse, it is completely narrow minded to suggest that a. all people who support fox hunting are cruel murderous individuals with the same morals as a serial killer or say the nazi’s or b. that all city folk know nothing about the countryside. To urge people NOT to vote for a party because of one statement which would most likely have no effect in any case, ignoring the other green issues -- including climate change, which was we know will affect more than just one species -- not to mention the HUGE amount of debt our country is in. I urge you, to see the bigger picture, and not shun an entire party because they say they will re-think the ban on fox hunting.
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Thank you for your comment R,
All of the Pro hunting commenter’s say the blinkin’ same thing!
I DO NOT SAY DON’T KILL THEM JUST DON’T RIP THEM APART BY DOGS AND WIPE THEIR BLOOD ON YOUR CHEEKS!
The hunt-masters are breeding more foxes and killed them for their own insane sick fun.
You whine about all of the foxes raiding your farm, before you moan look up the bleedin’ facts:
They kill many hens and bury bodies then eat them on unsuccessful days.
There has been video/documentary evidence of this behaviour.
They do NOT hunt for fun they are NOT the same as the sick evil hunt masters.
You are a farmer you have to cope with losses and not blame the foxes.
FUN AND KILLING AREN’T MEAN TO BE COUPLED.
You said and I quote: “Oh hey, I probably cant eat more than one, I’ll leave the rest be”
They do not do as you say they do, they will only kill a lamb when they are desperate and hungry, their normal diet is mice, rats and vole’s.
Also I shun the conservative because:
Tories want Google or Microsoft to host NHS patient records.
They will lift the smoking ban.
They are pro-rich only and don’t give a fudge about poor people.
Their Manifesto is filled with waffle and sound bytes.
They opposed the plan to give people under 25 unemployed for a year a job or training, leaving most youth on the dole.
Tories will reduce Police/crime-fighting services by £160 million the equivalent of losing 3,500 police officers, a criminals paradise.
And Then David Cameron would give 200,000 to 3,000 millionaires in the UK (steal from the poor to give to the rich).
They aspire to Margaret Thatcher, who’s heart is colder than a marble floor.
And most of the MP in the Tory Central Office are Homophobic.
So please don’t make half-baked accusations.
Also 75% of the public don’t want the hunting ban lifted, the Tories are insanely wealthy Hunters and the Conservative MP’s want it and they get it, they do not put it down to a referendum because they know they will lose and wont be able to get their sick evil kicks by torturing foxes to death, so don’t act like the people want it because they don’t.
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Hunting is great fun it keeps me of the streets, rabbits, Hares and foxes are all pests. Over the years they have destroyed millions of pounds of crops and livestock. rabbits breed like mad so its not like they will go extinct. Ive nown foxes to kill More the one lamb in a night they will stash they prey and go back if they are in a field with alot of young on it, they will keep taking them all untill its stopped. Not all foxes have horrific deathes they can be pretty quick but it shouldnt matter for the people who dont live in or work the countyside. Foxes even run around my estate ripping up the rubbish bags and killing cats. People still hunt illegaly obviously but they shoulfd lift the ban its great fun keeps me off the streets. Thay should give us designated areas to hunt legaly and the national parks should be left alone for tourists. Only 2 dogs should be used on a fox with 1 rifle to put it out of its missery quickly if that upsets you so shall we legalise firearms lmao oj
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The blood on the cheeks its to mark the persons first catch they dont do it everytime.
a fox will kill anything they can to stay alive including lambs
It does depend on where you are. We had a group of foxes take 12 chickens and 6 lambs. Do you know how much a lamb goes to market for? We don’t borrow any money from the city. As for B&Q and Ikea… Sorry Cheap furniture not for me. As for laminate flooring, Sorry cheap flooring not for me. I Agree a fox does not kill for fun, But they kill livestock, Livestock costs money. Farming is difficult enough. Mice and rats are not a huge problem for us as we have cats and a large pack of dogs. I Think you should probably look outside the box that you seem to be in. I will continue to kill any fox that i see near livestock and if the law changes i will send the dogs after them because thas what we have to do to make a living. I don’t take any pleasure from killing foxes its what we have to do.
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Before I can answer may I ask what do you class as a group of foxes, were they hunting in a Pack together?
Caleb
I assume so. When i said a group there was 4 of them and I’m sure they would have killed alot more than they did if someone had not shot them.
I was talking to local game keeper today. Foxes got into a polts rearing pen killed 300 pheasants and only took 3. Each pheasant fully grown is worth around £4 I believe.
Foxes cost people alot of money, you cannot deny that.
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I am sorry Sian but that is a blatant Lie,
I was waiting for you to fall into my trap
Foxes do not hunt in packs, it is a myth wolves otherwise hunt together.
I do not deny that foxes cost money to a farmer but they have to cope it’s the downsides of the job.
(and real farmers can legally shoot the offending foxes)
Are you sure you live in the country you know less about farming than I do.
PS: I can no longer trust what you say this is one too many lies
Caleb
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LOL!! I very clearly said I assumed so. My Grandfather farms, My uncles farm, I lived on farms throughout my childhood and you have always lived in the city. I never claimed to know about a foxes daily life, I don’t take any interest. They take money from my family and we kill them. My uncle pays £25 a head for each fox to be killed and you can keep the scraps for your ferrets if you like. I don’t care what you do or don’t believe. Gordon brown just resigned and it looks like the conservatives have come to power. If the fox hunting laws are lifted i will hunt, if it isn’t I will continue to shoot any fox I see and you will continue moaning.
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well Sian aint you the big guy/gal
karma is a wonderful thing
Fox hunting in not inhumane, inhumane is our soldiers getting killed in the wars
Cant i have permission to work your fathers land, dogs are stock trained good on recall and will let your stock live happily.
P.S. I have just asked my uncle. They were 2 sets of what he can only assume were 2 brothers over 190 acres and that is quite common at certain times of the year.
Mums teach cubs to hunt which may look like a pack
If farms were secured better by farmers then foxes would not kill for food -- I keep chickens and have NEVER had any killed because I keep them SECURE!!
Stupid stuck up toffs!!
Fox hunting is vile and disgusting and should stay banned and dont tell me any facts about it because i know and have heard them all before!!
YAWN YAWN!
Are you paying to secure all these farms with god knows how much fencing barb wire and they will always get in unless you keep your chiks in a shed all the time or are constantly keeping your eye on them its hard work, i think people probably hunting foxes in your area thats why you aint had no problems. I aint no farmer but i thought it was best for livestock to be out in the opens to have as much room to walk about on as possible, but because you dont like hunting why should other people suffer
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Caleb, Your first post says you are 13?
I think it’s admirable that you have such a keen interest in politics at such a young age, too bad you couldn’t vote
“FUN AND KILLING AREN’T MEAN TO BE COUPLED.”
Do you play computer/PS games? Experience tells me the VAST majority of teenage boys do. -- not entirely the same, but still relevant since it would make you a hypocrite. (And, the riders don’t do the killing, their just out having a good time riding through the countryside, the majority of them, will never see a kill).
Also, fishing? pheasant shoots? wild game shoots in Africa?! If you are so concerned with animal welfare why don’t you look to some of the more pressing issues which have not -- unlike fox hunting -- been addressed. You come across a little narrow minded.
The Conservatives would never have achieved the swing they did if people did not believe they could do good for this country. It is completely naive to suggest “They are pro-rich only and don’t give a fudge about poor people.” -- and you are insinuating that you know better than a significant proportion of the UK’s population. Which is clearly not the case. I would also LOVE to know where you are getting your information from. Please share.
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DID YOU JUST COMPARE COMPUTER GAMES TO KILLING REAL LIVING FOXES!
In PC games I ‘murder’ pixels, but I do so because I know that those pixels have no life they do not live eat, have feeling nor memories of a life in retrospect they do not live.
Now, a fox it lives, it eats, it feels pain, you have killed something that has lived a life, now is that justified.
It is dumb to say that I’m a hypocrite because I kill computer generated aliens/zombies/other pix-elated beings, when you kill living breathing foxes that is pure evil
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You also say: “(And, the riders don’t do the killing, their just out having a good time riding through the countryside, the majority of them, will never see a kill).”
Then why take a pack of dogs a rifle, if you are only going for the horse-back ride, please don’t fabricate the truth.
Also I do NOT condone fly-fishing it is wrong the way that a man will catch a fish via a hook, and neither do I support Pheasant shoots or wild game hunts in Africa unless it is fairly humane, and they plan to eat the kill, I do not like neither, but I have picked one thing that is directly involved in politics because of the Tories may relinquish the ban, I am not narrow minded these issues concern me but I have chosen fox-hunting.
You ask where I got my information from well I did Research (you should try it sometime).
Election 2010 Tories Will Lift the Fox Hunting Ban
of couse killing aint fun but the chase is exciting. If some gets a kick out of killing they should be in a nut house, but it has to be done like i already said why should people who enjoy hunting suffer because other people dont like it.
camerons in charge i think we will be hunting by the end of the year lol i hope.
funny people dogs do not take their time in killing the foxes.
Fox hunting does help to control the problems foxes pose to farmers livestock which they do, yes they may get ripped apart but the first dog usually kills the animal out right which is no different to a fox fighting to the death with another fox.
Also fox hunting is not just for the rich anyone can join in and have a fun day out. Not all hunts are successful in finding a fox. It is more than just about killing a fox it is a part of our tradition and it should not be wiped out like every other patriot act.
Election 2010 Tories Will Lift the Fox Hunting Ban
They should legalise it but have some limitation on how they are killed and hunted. i recon they should not be dug out their dens and if they are shot and still running the dog should retreive them. Cubs should be left alone. kills should be quick.
Fox hunting is not about pest control at all. As most farmers will tell you, the hunts have been breeding their prey through the creation of artificial earths for years now. The most humane way to kill a fox when necessary is by lamping.
If you believe the concept that the lead hound makes a swift bite to the neck of the fox to kill it instantly, you obviously haven’t looked at all the footage of foxes being killed by hounds out on UTube. The hounds generally go for the abdomen and other fatty areas first, leaving the fox in agony before killing it. The process of digging out with terriers and shovels when a fox goes to ground is equally brutal and abhorent. Then finally, if you take the time to look at how fox cubs are used in the process of training the young hounds, and are still not convinced, then you probably think watching a dog fight is also a fun day out.
I’m a Tory and the thought of the hunting act being repealed is repulsive to me. They didn’t manage a majority in this election and if they do overturn this act, their ‘nasty party’ status will be confirmed and they will certainly never get into power again.
If you still think hunting isn’t cruel, read this story written by a huntsman who later found his conscience. Its an eye-opener.
http://www.huntinginquiry.gov.uk/evidence/pellow.htm
M.Hayworth
Campaign For Decency
Election 2010 Tories Will Lift the Fox Hunting Ban
The right dog can kill fox pretty fast a lurcher (greyhoundXBullterriers) can Give it 1 shake from the neck and kill it thats pretty fast. I never been out with a pack of hounds on horse back im not into that. The dogs bite were they got a good grip of the fox then work its neck for a quick kill. People have different methods of hunting fox, Differents breeds mean different tactics. I would never kill a cub at least give them a chance to grow up a bit. Lamping is the best obviously, back in the days a when we caught a fox with luchers they were killed pretty fast. Ive known some to to have been shot and still run of god knows were for god knows how long, bleeding to death slowly and painfully. i Have seen 1 dvd when the foxes death are a bit long and brutal but it was still quicker than the 1 that got away with a bullet in its chest. if the is not killed quickly i would have done it quickly. if you just sit and wath your dogs slowly tear the fox up your a bit mad i think. Its is not all about pestcontrol but for some of us its a hobby or feildsport what ever you want to call it.
Election 2010 Tories Will Lift the Fox Hunting Ban
They do need to be controlled for a couple of year now there is so many of them they are taking all the rabbits, they are chilling out the back gardens on the estates, they are more of them by me than there is cats. i walked home last autumn to see one running up my steet. i dont know were they are all living but they need to get back in the countrside. they are turning into urban pests.
Election 2010 Tories Will Lift the Fox Hunting Ban
NO! if they think there are too many foxes they should be culled like rabbits/seagulls etc.
Foxhunting is barbarrack!!!! And as for s’ comment about being a fun day out -- are u sick?? if u want a fun day out how about we let a pack of dogs rip you apart while you are still alive, and see how much you like it!!!
if i had a gun i would be killing lots of seagulls the little scavengers they are rats with wings. They wont kill foxes coz people are to soft and they think they are pretty little cuddly things. They are vermin like rats and u probably like things other people dont like but they dont say any thing about it or stop you. and what you on about let dogs rip up humans ur sick, i havents caused no problems and i aint a pest. your oppinion is your oppinion you think its barbarrack and i dont. i have to deal with foxes almost on a daily basis. we need about 7 years just to legal hunting to get them out of the city and probably another 10 years to manage the land in the country. it is hard to shoot a fox and kill it with 1 shot unless point blank, their brains are the size of a walnut and unles you shoot a major organ a a lucky headshot they will run of a bleed to death. shoting them is more barbarrack coz they will probably die an even slower death than death imflicted by dogs.
Election 2010 Tories Will Lift the Fox Hunting Ban
i work for the council and on their website they are goin on about seagulls causing problems i copyed this of their site……..As the breeding season gets underway, Cardiff Council is offering support and advice to help minimise seagull nuisance.
The gull population is on the increase in urban areas and can often lead to problems such as noise, nesting on roofs, swooping to protect young and the ripping open of rubbish bags.
A leaflet has been produced by the council’s Pest Control and Waste Management services, which offers information and advice to businesses across the city. The team also offers a service to commercial premises, where eggs are carefully replaced with plastic imitations. With fewer young, the birds are then less aggressive.
Election 2010 Tories Will Lift the Fox Hunting Ban
we dont hear of rabbit problems because they are being controlled
the ban on hunting with hounds has done nothing but increase the amount of pain and suffering caused to foxes, 9 times out of ten if you shoot a fox it limps off to die a slow and painfull death, at least if it were caught by the hounds it would be over in a matter of seconds
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